08:31:21 From Jude Hayman : Could everyone please make sure they are on mute :-) 08:31:50 From Lyn Davis : Hello Everyone 08:32:09 From Rob Walker : Morning everyone! :-) 08:32:20 From Lyn Davis : I have my ED Tim McCallum here today so I will be popping in and out. Sorry. 08:32:51 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Good morning everyone 08:33:13 From Skye Seymour : Good morning :-) 08:33:48 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Morning all 08:33:53 From Lyn Davis : Grace Palamara is back as relieving Chair of Principal Support RG. 08:34:16 From Trish Peters : HI Chris 08:34:29 From Simon Mulready : Dave Munday - is Teams the best place for the "unofficial" chat? 08:34:52 From Lyn Davis : Welcome Chris 08:37:17 From Irene Faros : What consultation has there been with PPA re behaviour strategy? 08:37:29 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Principal Contracts? 08:37:35 From Lyn Davis : Will she be implementing contracts for Principals? Will she rule it oput in the time she is Minister, 08:38:28 From Trish Peters : Some questions for Mark Scott too? 08:38:36 From Scott Sanford : Her response to the NAPLAN Review. 08:38:40 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Short timeline for implementation of the NSW Review recommendations. Why as it was outlined that this is a 10 year process. 08:39:10 From Michelle Shelton : Can you explain the reason behind splitting the suspension guidelines between K-2 and 3 - 6 in the draft behaviour policy? Why are the guidelines different? 08:39:33 From Lisa Wright : Is she the best person to ask about what is happening with Connect.ed Communities? So much gossip but no clarification or real information - this has been going on for over 12 months 08:39:57 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Mark Scott question, is there a plan to roll out the Covid 19 Technology devices in 2020? Timeframes? 08:40:02 From Jock Garven : Is there any movement on previous questions relating to the equity of provision for wellbeing positions in primary schools as there are in secondary schools? 08:40:29 From Samantha Nicol : SIP targets? Why are they necessary and what support staff will be available to help achieve the targets? 08:40:31 From Shane Fletcher : What budget priorities will the Minister fight for during the harsh financial status ahead of NSW to maintain NSW public schools? HCM/SINSW etc. 08:40:58 From Trish Fisher : Will be get bour brief notes from you Robyn to share with our PPCs? 08:41:00 From Lyn Davis : Is she aware of the anxiety and pressure Covid has put principals and teachers under. This and the school planning cycle is really all that schools, their staff and the communities can cope with at present. Any other roll out of guidelines and policies in this climate would mean they could not be implemented thoroughly and they would add more pressure in our schools. 08:41:21 From Geoff Scott : For both Minister and Secretary - what is your position / comments on the NSWTF Inquiry (Gallop Inquiry) into the status of the teaching profession. Will you be making a formal appearance at the Inquiry?? 08:41:27 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Mark Scott question, is there a plan to roll out the Covid 19 Technology devices in 2020? Timeframes? 08:41:29 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : In the current environment, in education land, being impacted by COVID~19, we are expected to implement a new Strategic Improvement Plan; we are now expected to implement the Inclusivity Policy, Social Media Policy and the New Student Behaviour Policy; the latter being informed to all via the media. My question is what will you do, as Minister, to ensure that Principals are not overloaded, through the ever-increasing Policy release? 08:41:44 From Graeme McLeod : why has the senior executive got so big 08:42:28 From Trish Fisher : Will there be an ‘education experienced’ person put back on Senior exec to share our voice? 08:42:30 From Lyn Davis : We have to get the message out there that schools are under pressure and teaching the children is our core business and in this climate we are not able to cope with too many changes etc. 08:42:34 From Mark Gosbell : Mark Scott - with the recent article in the SMH re: increase in student with disabilities across the next decade. What are the plans for increasing human and capital resource to support students across all settings? 08:42:50 From Judi Albans (Judi Albans) : Is there going to be a system response/application for border staff exemptions? Our local schools are each having to make application individually with different answers and approvals. 08:45:40 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Secretary, why is the executive team growing along with back office staff, whilst the workload on Principals and their staff re increasing, with little perceived support in implementing policy, which we are still being informed of via the media? 08:47:17 From Graeme McLeod : Greg - that is what I was trying to say in the shortened version 08:48:51 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Great job Michael 08:49:46 From Ben Walsh to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Hi Ian, my apologies I was late. Just jumped on if you’re taking attendance 08:50:40 From Ian Reeson to Ben Walsh(Privately) : all good Ben 08:51:12 From Ben Walsh to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Thanks Ian :) 08:52:37 From Michael Burgess : 8 Operational directorates 08:53:12 From Ian Reeson to Trish Peters(Privately) : Trish - Question for Secretary 08:53:28 From Benjamin Carter : Will there be a continuation of the drought staffing supplementation/freeze? 08:54:17 From David MUNDAY : Sorry Im late 08:55:16 From David MUNDAY : Any connected Community updates Phil? 08:55:30 From Steve McAlister : Re the new Student Behaviour Policy - how was the decision arrived at that that an incident of 'physical violence' is only applicable if medical treatment of the victim is required (ie: not first aid treatment, but treatment by a doctor or at a hospital? 08:55:33 From Carolyn Nugent : What changes has the Staffing Methodology Review resulted in to fill difficult to fill positions as well as strengthen relief teaching pool? 08:55:55 From Michael Burgess : Lisa Wright - can you ask your question about connected communities to Murat Dizdar as he probably in a better position to answer 08:56:19 From Simon Parson : Trish - perhaps preface with Mark's own words, "There are those of us in schools & there are those of us who support those in schools." What many schools are experiencing at the moment is more work and fewer corporate staff to support. 08:58:10 From Tony D'Amore : excuse me for having my camera off for this first session, I’m at the physio... soccer injury 08:58:21 From Ian Reeson to Trish Peters(Privately) : Given the Departments core value of every staff member being known, valued and cared for (along with our students et al) how did the decision to enact the Departmental reorganisation resulting in the majority of senior corporate staff having to reapply for a job during the Covid-19 pandemic, which is arguably the greatest disruption to public education in it's history. align with this core value. 08:59:58 From Jock Garven : Hattie’s effect size for students moving between schools is the fifth lowest out of 262 influences. Does this relate to constant changes in senior executive of the Department? 09:00:55 From Jude Hayman : Great question and point Jock!!! 09:00:59 From David MUNDAY : @rob Walker - can we clarify which parts of the chat actually become part of what is provided to the guests? Or is everything provided? 09:01:35 From Rob Walker : They can see it all Dave. They can scroll back through comments from the day. 09:02:34 From Helen Craigie : Why is it media first, 'extra soft' launch next for a number of policies and frameworks ? 09:04:50 From Rob Walker : Jock is your question for Minister or Secretary? Secretary? 09:07:32 From Rob Walker : Carolyn, the SMR question is a good one but we haven't reached a point where final decisions have been made. We are still waiting on some detail. A question centred on the slow progress of any news from the SMR would be timely. 09:12:31 From Rob Walker : Stephen De Roos - could you go to mute on your mike please. 09:13:21 From Trish Fisher : Thank you Lyn good Q 09:13:48 From Jock Garven : Understand the commentary. Secretary please. With collective efficacy including a heavy requirement on consistency, our frustrations stem from constant movement of personnel in many structures of the Department. Counsellors, DELs, School Services and regular changes in operational directorates, leadership etc. Change is good however, too much is appearing quite damaging to us all and the flow on effect on students is not ok. This comment is not related to Covid. 09:15:25 From Simon Parson : Should increased priority be given to early intervention? 09:16:17 From Michael Trist to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Can you make me a co-host so I can put people on mute if they're not already? 09:16:43 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Why is the talk only happening now, after policy has been released through MEDIA? 09:16:58 From Simon Parson : When does the talking turn into action? 09:17:48 From Simon Mulready : Q for Mark Scott – At term 1 State Council, we asked about the social media policy. The communication was that the policy needed an update because of the Ombudsman’s report and students should not be included on social media posts on private accounts. However, the policy released last week does not reflect the common sense response we were advised would be happening. Can we amend the policy so it reflects the Ombudsman’s recommendation, while not taking away the powerful opportunities for collaboration, learning and acknowledging great practice, which social media provides. 09:19:09 From Helen Craigie : Slow down the passage of the Behaviour strategy until resources are embedded in schools so staff feel empowered 09:19:11 From Phil Seymour : Rob your curtains are a distraction 09:20:18 From Trish Fisher : The work Lyn Davis has done on this is a really good start to share with the Minister 09:20:33 From Carolyn Nugent : Additional support IN schools is needed, additional SAO and Exec time 09:21:29 From Ian Reeson : Great suggestion Helen Craigie. This is a not negotiable. State exec yesterday agreed to establish a range of options for the additional support required for primary education. Not just parity with secondary but primary specific resourcing. Preschool to Year 6. 09:22:20 From Monica St Baker : Minister will Drought Supplementation be rolled into 2021? 09:22:41 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Exec release needs to be secured as a staffing entitlement for TPs as most have no executive to assist with what is constantly coming our way. 09:24:11 From Helen Craigie : Excellent. I think we may have some traction within the behaviour space 09:24:37 From Michael Windred : Hi Monica, yes it has. It is in our anticipated staffing for 2021. 09:25:21 From Lisa Wright : So true Melanie - no one off class most of the time so inschool suspension is just impossible on top of everything else 09:26:47 From Lisa Wright : Counsellors are great if you can get them - so many vacancies or temp appointments 09:27:04 From Monica St Baker : Thanks Michael!!!! 09:28:24 From Carolyn Nugent : So true Michael, I specifically fund $200K from Equity annually to support students from trauma and health related problems. 09:29:15 From Tracy Anderson : Adding to the complexity of not having enough counsellors is that for new schools, there is no counsellor allocation. This means service is taken from within the patch to support the new school. In The Ponds network, there will be two new schools on line in 2021, ultimately reducing the service provision for established schools in the group 09:33:11 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : That is challenging Tracy. We have had the same occur on our patch so that our bushfire schools get increased support, mine being one of them but it has been taken from others to fill the void which adds to the stress of recovery. 09:35:07 From Lyn Davis : Sometimes in rural areas there are not other options as no special classes are available and so they are in a class of 30. 09:35:09 From Kerry Barker : Well said Michael 09:35:12 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Well said Michael Burgess 09:35:52 From Steve McAlister : Exactly right Michael. Can't see how the new Strategy is going to address this! 09:37:35 From Trish Fisher : As part of the consultation process, before it becomes actual policy will the PPA check it? 09:37:52 From Stephen De Roos : our most vulnerable families don't often access help 09:38:17 From Robyn Evans : Minister Mitchell could 'unpack' the how this will happen and land in our schools - workforce availability ? 09:40:09 From Michael Windred : It is in our anticipated enrolment now 09:40:24 From Michael Windred : Came in two weeks ago. 09:41:44 From Helen Craigie : Look forward to hearing more about the First 2000 Days Initiative 09:41:47 From Mark Gosbell : On behalf of SSPs - thanks to minister for support of supplementary funding for 2020 and will appreciate ongoing support. It's made a huge difference to teaching and learning for students with disability in SSPs 09:42:05 From Michelle Shelton : Speech therapy is always overlooked as essential. Hopefully access to speech therapy is part of the plan 09:42:30 From Simon Mulready : Michael - can I ask a calarifying q 09:42:52 From Michael Burgess : I think you missed it Simon 09:42:58 From Simon Mulready : ok 09:43:19 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : The Rural Experience Program has been a significant program in rural schools and communities. The impact on professional Learning and sharing has resulted in improved outcomes for students. What are the future plans with regard to this program? 09:43:32 From Simon Parson : Well done, Michael Burgess! 09:46:37 From Scott Sanford : My understanding is that there is no set date for S.A. 09:47:05 From Mark Scott : Good morning 09:47:45 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Good morning Mark 09:56:46 From Lyn Davis : Great that Primary schools have not been forgotten? What strategies do you have planned for Primary schools to help with some of this stress and anxiety? 09:57:48 From Estelle Southall to Ian Reeson(Privately) : With all the other good resourcing on the School Excellence in Action, then a clear, published, universal timeline should be published ASAP. 10:00:37 From Bek Zadow : SA is not a "great" process if DELs see it as a race to complete it and put unrealistic timeframes on completing this. All that does is take the authenticity out of the process if appropriate time is not given. 10:02:02 From Jude Hayman : I believe the strength in the implementation of the policy will be in getting the resourcing and timing right... 10:02:38 From Estelle Southall : With all the other quality resourcing on the School Excellence in Action, then a clear, published, universal timeline should be published ASAP. 10:03:05 From Mark Gosbell : A question for Mark - SSP Supplementary Funding has not yet been confirmed for 2021. Schools are currently developing new improvement plans and this resource is significant to ongoing planning. Confirmation / certainty is required to effectively plan for the new school year. Can you confirm that the supplementary funding will continue in the new year....and beyond? 10:06:49 From David MUNDAY : @trish have you got the social media question that simon posted for C&E committee? 10:07:09 From Michael Trist : She has 10:07:11 From Tracy Anderson : Mark - I applaud the increase of senior staff to support schools on the ground but not if they come at the cost of reducing funds for new school builds or ensuring that large schools have the executive support that they require. As a foundation principal, I have been and continue to be engaged in 'Value Engineering' exercises whereby the dept is attempting to 'claw' back funds by reducing resources and changing the design. Another colleague is managing a large school of 1 755 kids however is unable to get the 4th DP as this is provided at 2 300 - she is now funding this position herself. Can we have a commitment that these areas be looked at? 10:07:36 From Michelle Shelton : Considering teachers are appointed K-6 how will PL on new K-2 curriculum be delivered to ALL K- 6 teachers not just those teaching K-2 in 2022? 10:13:40 From David MUNDAY : the consolidated master schedule 10:14:13 From Bob Willetts : Given the short timelines for the curriculum review.......... “.......We need high quality curriculum documents, syllabus documents, developed by NESA in consultation with the profession. “ What is the planned consultation process with the profession? 10:16:35 From Greg McLaren : what changes are anticipated for the Code of Conduct? 10:17:47 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Totally agree Bob. 10:27:53 From David MUNDAY : great call out simon 10:28:28 From Michael Trist : You C&E boys stick together 10:29:21 From Phil Seymour : Its on our Agenda with secretary on Monday so Simon/ Dave can u send me some of those points 10:29:32 From Bob Willetts : Follow up: re tech: in the restructure, can we retain and enhance the IT support please. 10:29:59 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : they have the 2.5% wage increases from all in the public sector 10:30:42 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Thanks Mark, it would be great to discuss the digital divide further with the Technology Reference Group. Regards, Drew 10:31:40 From Rob Walker : The Disability question goes beyond physical structures. The re-defining of Disability will see a change is the students identified as having a disability. Will there be additional resources to support these students? Under ESES many students lost resource and were in main stream classes without adequate support. The revised definition we are now looking at appears to expand the criteria and therefore the number of students who can be better supported. Is this how it is seen by Mark? 10:32:22 From Rob Walker : Great job Trish Peters! 10:34:48 From Trish Fisher : Who has a seat at the table. Not the minions… 10:35:23 From Steve McAlister : Geoff Scott - couldn't agree more!!! 10:35:34 From Helen Craigie : excellent questioning Trish 10:35:47 From Simon Mulready : Quote of the day, "I've got the power." 10:58:04 From Kylie Donovan (Kylie Donovan) : Anyone in the LEED project have to have their Situational Analysis done by the end of this term too. 10:59:38 From Rob Walker : Kylie, who has provided that advice? 10:59:41 From Bob Willetts : @ SimonMulready have you seen Bruce Almighty? 11:00:12 From Kylie Donovan (Kylie Donovan) : It is said in the PL sessions 11:00:58 From Bob Willetts : ------------------------------------------------ 11:01:00 From Michael Burgess : We are a LEED school. The end of term was suggested as a aim but it wasn't a hard and fast 'we have to have it done by the end of the term' 11:01:13 From Bob Willetts : -------------------------------------------- 11:01:26 From Bob Willetts : QUESTIONS / COMMENTS FOR SYLVIA 11:12:16 From Simon Mulready : Great to hear this process! Thank you 11:14:15 From Michael Burgess : For Sylvia - managing the conflict between confidentiality of the positive person and letting people know for close contact tracing - how do we manage that? 11:16:24 From David MUNDAY : We don’t have many of our families with valid email contacts - what mechanism will schools like us use? 11:17:36 From Trish Peters : Aren't email distribution lists system-generated? This is why I do my own as they aren't always up-to-date. If the email comes from the school account then the principal needs to ensure they have access to that mailbox? 11:18:04 From Michael Trist : Facebook message to tell parents - yes or no? 11:18:52 From Trish Peters : Is all this good practice in an easily accessible checklist for us? 11:19:16 From Steve McAlister : Like Dave Munday has stated, valid email addresses are in short supply. Also have a significant % of parents/carers who change their mobile numbers frequently and do not notify us of these changes... 11:21:00 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : did a variation to routine flow chart for my staff … happy to email this 11:22:30 From Skye Seymour : I may have missed this as I just stepped out... If a number of family members are unwell and they receive a negative COVID result, then a child from the same family presents with the same symptoms during the same time frame, do they have to be tested too? We are having families who are refusing to get their child tested because they (as the parent) have been cleared and their child has previously been tested two or three times previously and they don't want to put them through it again... 11:31:02 From Trish Peters : The school update app hasn't been mentioned as a comm 11:31:40 From Bob Willetts : We have created a context specific Emergency response based on our normal Evac procedures in case of mid-day notification, and have a QR Code sign in to reduce admin burden. Happy to share if anyone wants it. 11:32:39 From Benjamin Carter : Bob, if you could share that, it would be greatly appreciated 11:38:08 From Trish Peters : This app is the DoE one 11:38:37 From Estelle Southall : I apologise for stepping out, Sylvia your calm detailed, experienced insight and support for myself, local colleagues, and today has been invaluable. 11:40:34 From Simon Parson : what coomunication occurs with bus companies? 11:41:23 From Lisa Wright : In such a remote community it is going to be everyone being a close contact! 11:42:43 From John Bond : The DOE app is managed by the department. There were issues with the floods on the south coast recently where this wasn't updated. Sylvia, somebody need to ensure that this is accurate as parents go to this to see if schools are operational. 11:43:24 From John Bond : ie The School Update App 11:43:47 From Trish Peters : That is exactly what I was talking about John :) 11:44:02 From Michael Windred : That was good. 11:44:48 From John Bond : David M - can you take that one up through coms and engagement. This was exactly the issue I talked to you about during the floods. 11:44:57 From Jock Garven : Only happens to principals of K-12 schools! 11:45:43 From Carolyn Nugent : Also Kathy Powsun has similar procedural comms for bushfire emergencies and response for schools; perhaps some collaboration? 11:45:57 From David MUNDAY : yes john bond still raising it with everyone - discussed at exec chairs yesterday 11:47:28 From Bob Willetts : Reimbursement guarantee hasn't been communicated to them. I spoke to an Albury Principal yesterday. 11:49:27 From Tracy Anderson : Thanks Exec for giving us the time to consult with our groups, feedback from Blacktown was that they appreciated the opportunity to comment on the proposal 11:51:34 From Steve McAlister : Should be noted that the DoE only sent out the 'pretty' ten-pager and the research paper, NOT the draft procedures... 11:52:53 From Trish Peters : It has been communicated strongly that this was the case and I hope Karen Hodge addresses it tomorrow :) 11:56:05 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Bob, as a border school, I was told my DEL that reimbursement is not guaranteed and I can only apply after we have used all our budget. 11:56:58 From Simon Mulready : Phil: Q about contracts. DELs are saying there's nothing to worry about, NSWTFed are making something out of nothing. What is our take on it at this stage? (ie - The PPA Exec). Our members here have asked about it. 11:57:13 From Michael Windred : Would the trained teacher receive remuneration for their extra work? 11:57:26 From Simon Mulready : Has our thinking changed or are we still on high alert? 11:57:37 From Rob Walker : Michael, release time is factored into the budget for the IC. 11:58:02 From Trish Peters : The proposal is that the implementation coach has a release component to support 11:58:06 From Bob Willetts : The NAPLAN review is worth reading, it does give an excellent account of Standardised assessment, historical context and global comparisons. The major disappointment from the NSWPPA positions was that it didn't reflect our repeated strong position against the MySchool Site. 11:58:07 From Michael Windred : ok 11:59:53 From Lyn Davis : Thank you everyone. My pleasure to have served you all and have been a part of PPA exec. 12:00:49 From Tracy Anderson : Big, big shoes to fill! Thanks for everything that you have done! 12:00:53 From Michael Burgess : Simon Mulready - I asked the Minister about contracts this morning. She said not on the current agenda. When I asked her is that a no to contracts she dodged it. So I think they are not on the current agenda and we can 'stand down' it will be interesting to hear the Federation take on it this afternoon. 12:00:59 From Estelle Southall : Incredible, inspiring leaders!!! 12:01:32 From David MUNDAY : Ive been working on some tributes for the outgoing exec as well - hopefully for Xmas dinner 12:02:14 From Tracy Anderson : and don't we all just love that Dave! 12:02:22 From Steve McAlister : I bet you have @David Munday 12:05:04 From Steve McAlister : Re property Acquisition: Strike while the iron is hot! We must have built some considerable savings this year through the unfortunate occurrence of having to hold meetings, including SC, remotely... 12:07:03 From Lyn Davis : What a legacy to leave behind. for our members into the future. The NSWPPA has an office and a space for Professional learning with no debt. 12:07:53 From David MUNDAY : ID please 12:08:03 From Lisa Wright : Definitely supported! 12:08:17 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Broken Hill are in favour of the motion 12:08:17 From Tracy Anderson : This decision is about forward planning, leaving a legacy not having those that come after us having to pay for the privilege. If that is wanted, maybe they can buy a car!? 12:08:20 From Leonie Clarkson : Central Coast PPC is supportive 12:08:22 From Trish Fisher : Support given from Bondi PPC 12:08:23 From Carolyn Nugent : fully supported from the Batemans Bay PPC as well 12:08:27 From Tony D'Amore : What a wonderful position for the NSWPPA to be in to be able to be able to fully fund this. 12:08:45 From Tracy Anderson : Blacktown supports the proposal 12:08:46 From Tania Weston : Ryde PPC supportive 12:08:46 From Samantha Nicol : Port Jackson 100% in favour of going forward with the proposal. 12:08:49 From Kathryn Weston : Moree PPC is supportive 12:08:55 From Steve McAlister : @David Munday. Didn't think it was necessary when called on by the Chair. 12:08:57 From Robyn Urquhart : MNC is supportive of the proposal 12:08:59 From Benjamin Carter : Tamworth PPC is supportive 12:09:01 From Tony D'Amore : Parramatta PPC is supportive 12:09:04 From Deborah Scanes (deborah scanes) : Taree PPC supportive 12:09:12 From Judi Albans : Tweed Ballina is supportive 12:09:15 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Hawkesbury PPC is supportive 12:09:19 From Ben Walsh : Bankstown PPC Supportive 12:09:22 From Phillip Katen : Queanbeyan PPC is supportive 12:09:28 From Jock Garven : Port Macquarie PPC supportive 12:09:34 From Milly Stone (Milly Stone) : Hornsby 90% support 12:09:34 From Estelle Southall : Granville PPC 100% supportive 12:09:35 From Kerry Barker : Wagga PPC supportive- will create a very professional setting. 12:09:41 From Christine Smith : Northern Beaches PPC is supportive 12:09:43 From Andrew Hooper : Penrith/ Blue Mountains is supportive of this 12:09:44 From Mark Diamond : High Level Support Fairfield PPC 12:09:45 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Deniliquin PPC is supportive 12:09:45 From Michelle Shelton : Georges River PPC is supportive 12:09:48 From Jason Ezzy (Sutherland PPC) : Sutherland PPC is supportive. 12:09:53 From Dawn Dallas : Campbelltown PPC is supportive 12:09:56 From Shane Fletcher : Lismore PPC is supportive 12:09:57 From Simon Parson : Maitland PPC supportive 12:10:03 From Sharon Murray : Dubbo PPC supportive 12:10:15 From Monica St Baker : Griffith PPC supports this motion 12:10:15 From John Bond : Shellharbour PPC supportive - thanks for the clarification on mortgage option. 12:10:18 From Lisa Wright : Bourke PPA supports the motion 12:10:33 From Tim Fisher : Wollongong PPC supportive 12:10:39 From Andrew McEachern : Albury PPC supportive 12:11:18 From Mick McCann : Newcastle PPC support. 12:11:20 From Steve McAlister : Orange-Lachlan PPC supportive 12:11:22 From Pate Cooper : Mount Druitt Minchinbury Supportive 12:11:54 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Granville PPC - 100% in favour 12:12:02 From Craig Nielsen : Bondi PPC supportive 12:12:13 From Irene Faros : Liverpool supportive 12:12:21 From narelle.hunt : Upper Hunter in favour of this 12:13:15 From Tracy Anderson : could we please have the protocols explained? 12:13:20 From Simon Mulready : Lake Macquarie - supported 12:14:27 From Michael Windred : I don't have voting rites, but it's a no brainer. Definitely do it. 12:17:58 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Would love to have a game of golf with you Tom. 12:20:46 From Greg McLaren : please don't let Tom poach Geoff and Wendy 12:24:01 From Helen Craigie : Welcome Chris 12:26:55 From Steve McAlister : Question re Michael Windred's mention of Drought/Disaster supplementation. There is an anomaly in this allocation and the allocation of QTSS entitlement. Even though QTSS is specifically to develop staff, the allocation is determined by student numbers only. This means that schools with staffing maintained through drought assistance are actually still losing the entitlement to support these staff> Is it possible for Exec to take this to DoE??? 12:27:51 From Michael Burgess : Great job Christine. 12:28:52 From Michael Windred : Steve, our QTSS allocation hasn't changed since 2018. 12:29:37 From Michael Burgess : Christine Freeman you could ask your questions of Cathy and Murat this afternoon. They are the ones making the decisions. 12:30:13 From Christine Freeman : ok thanks Michael 12:30:31 From Steve McAlister : Michael, mine has reduced every year since 2018... 12:31:12 From Andrew Hooper : why cant PSL's come to our schools if they don't go to any other school for the day?? 12:31:14 From Helen Craigie : Our PSLs are a fabulous support 12:31:15 From Stuart Wylie : I am asking the questions for Murat. I had a call from my DEL so missed the question. Christine could you type it in the chat. 12:32:54 From Michael Windred : That shouldn't happen Steve. I hope that you get an answer soon. 12:34:18 From Shane Fletcher : Much work is needed on reports to state council. The formatting/fonts used, along with size, are not presenting well for readers. I know efforts have been made before, but our reference group chairs may need to start with fresh documents rather than modifying previous reports. 12:34:50 From Peter Flannery : Andrew Hooper, they probably could, but we were given a blanket directive - do not visit schools! Code of Conduct threats were raised if PSLs did not comply... 12:35:34 From Scott Sanford : @Michael & Steve - I am in the same boat as Steve. 12:35:49 From Michael Burgess : Thanks to Geoff and Wendy for your ongoing support of colleagues across the state 12:37:03 From Sharon Murray : From Sharon Murray 12:37:15 From David MUNDAY : Our committee is happy to take up the feedback on the reports if the exec want us to? 12:37:58 From Robyn Evans : That would be great Dave - thank you 13:07:55 From Stuart Wylie : Does anyone have any questions for Murat & Cathy. Please type them in the chat. I have logged in to a different machine so lost the earlier chat. If you had already typed a question in please retype it. 13:08:55 From Michael Burgess : The questions raised earlier about EECs, Drought relief and connected communities 13:09:04 From Michael Burgess : For Murat/Cathy 13:09:06 From Rob Walker : Stuart there was one from the session we had yesterday (from Maitland PPC and backed by further information from Shellharbour PPC). It related to Principal wellbeing. 13:09:36 From Rob Walker : It was emailed to them last night and they have acknowledged receipt. 13:09:45 From Bek Zadow : Do you want to ask Murat about some DELs around the state expediting the Situational Analysis as we discussed at yesterdays meeting? Or do you want to leave it with Mark? 13:10:02 From Stuart Wylie : I will ask it Bek 13:10:05 From Rob Walker : That's worth asking Bek. 13:10:13 From Rob Walker : Stuart's role. 13:10:15 From Leonie Clarkson : Leading at the speed of trust was terrific - online with Terry Fisher was terrific 13:10:24 From Ben Walsh : we did 7 Habits recently at Bankstown PS….can absolutely vouch for the high quality if anyone is interested. 13:10:43 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Why not ask the expectation of the Situational Analysis again for Murat. 13:11:09 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Timeframe Expectations. 13:11:19 From Bob Willetts : Agree Drew 13:11:22 From Jason Ezzy (Sutherland PPC) : I did 7 habits with my whole exec team (including SAM and BM) led by Kerry Knox - AMAZING. Thank you so much! 13:11:37 From Stuart Wylie : Michael I missed the EEC and drought relief discussion as I was on the phone to my DEL. Can someone give me a question related to it. 13:11:44 From Irene Faros : when will expressions go out for 2021 TPL? 13:12:47 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : PPA Credentials , well done Margaret and your team. 13:12:59 From Bob Willetts : In Covey: The engagement by Principals and their teams has been outstanding! Zoom has been a strong platform. 13:13:15 From Lisa Wright : Do you want me to ask Murat the question about Connected Community schools? 13:14:21 From Michael Burgess : For Murat/Cathy - EEC (Christine Freeman) 1. Their difficulty with funding and budgets looking like running into the red. 2. Staffing of all EECs to have two staff members. Drought relief for 2021 - will it continue? Connected Communities (Lisa Wright) - what's happening, where are we up to? 13:14:22 From Stuart Wylie : Hi Lisa. I will throw to you to ask that question. 13:14:42 From Stuart Wylie : Thanks Michael 13:14:49 From Paul Byrne : LIsa, I think they're just about to begin the community consultation phase. We should hopefully know a bit more over the coming weeks, but I think asking Murat wouldn't hurt either. 13:21:22 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Newcastle and possibly Lake Mac would like a Middle Leadership opportunity if you require another Cluster. 13:21:45 From Lyn Davis : Well done Margaret. You sure have been flexible. 13:21:55 From Estelle Southall : Amazing! 13:22:38 From Ben Walsh : Thank you Margaret!! 13:22:57 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Cluster is probably the Wrong word. Another group. 13:29:20 From Michael Burgess : A question to Murat/Cathy this afternoon 13:33:07 From Bob Willetts : Dave: Chris from SWS has been great in supporting our team following a request put through on their support page. 13:35:08 From Steve McAlister : @David Munday. Not sure about WEHMALLA. I'm still using PASHNiT. Very quiet on there though! 13:37:50 From Leonie Clarkson : Is the HIPL document publicly available? 13:39:40 From Lyn Davis : Greg 13:40:18 From Lyn Davis : ARe the direct management guidlelines in effect already? 13:43:00 From Trish Peters : Will the online learning component be better than this year's?? 13:43:36 From Estelle Southall : It's draft at this stage. 13:43:47 From Leonie Clarkson : Thanks Estelle 13:45:59 From Tracy Anderson : well done Greg! 13:49:21 From Trish Fisher : Like the idea of getting pre service teachers to complete practicums rural with the encouragement to stay. Interesting to find money to help accomodation etc. to make this happen. 13:50:15 From Trish Peters : The issue about services has been strongly raised by a few PPA working groups in the disability criteria review 13:50:40 From Lisa Wright : welcome at my place too 13:51:10 From Bob Willetts : They have to DRIVE!!!!! to get an idea of the distances between schools and major centres. 13:51:10 From Jude Hayman : Often people in community willing to offer accommodation, 1 million years ago when I did a prac at Tibooburra we stayed with a community member. 13:54:08 From David MUNDAY : @bob thank you will follow that up too 13:54:52 From Simon Parson : Nice job, Steve. 13:55:00 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Well done Stephen 13:55:39 From Stephen De Roos : thanks I have a great team 14:09:40 From Bob Willetts : NAPLAN is a constant political football. Strongly recommend going through the NAPLAN review with staff to build their collective understanding and inform the discussion from the profession. 14:12:30 From Bob Willetts : Accountability? are they on an improvement plan? 14:14:51 From Michael Burgess : Absolutely Jock! Changing staff adds complex in major builds 14:14:57 From Michael Burgess : complexity 14:14:59 From Tracy Anderson : Oh Jock, I thought that I had it tough! 14:15:14 From David MUNDAY : can you add a couple of offices for the PPA Jock? 14:15:45 From David MUNDAY : do we need a new school build working party 14:16:15 From Michael Burgess : Correct about funding process Jock. Things not put in upfront are a nightmare. 14:16:25 From Estelle Southall : It's my understanding Assets 'Utilisation' is essentially going to manage/takeover all our licencing/hiring/community user arrangements? Is this way off beam? 14:16:28 From Bob Willetts : "Instructional Leadership" or "infrastructional Leadership" 14:16:33 From narelle.hunt : Absolutely my issue too too may people involved. Its been horrendous. Getting defect sorted another issue. Too many times things rushed so therefore not done correctly. 18 months down the track still a mess 14:16:49 From Estelle Southall : Given Covid isn't going anywhere 2021 at this stage is there ongoing DoE commitment to Enhanced Cleaning (forever would be good). 14:17:43 From Estelle Southall : An exhausting and depleting process for any principal in the space sorry Jock 14:19:08 From Tony D'Amore : can't tackle but 14:19:11 From Bob Willetts : liability. 14:19:28 From Samantha Nicol : CURRICULUM REVIEW 14:21:29 From Bob Willetts : Just sent to Mark, Murat, George and Jane as questions on notice: The curriculum review is a big issue looming for us all. There is concern that the short timelines will lead to some short cuts, particularly around authentic consultation and support. After watching the video………. “………….We need high quality curriculum documents, syllabus documents, developed by NESA in consultation with the profession. “ Agree. What is the planned consultation process with the profession? Re : Syllabuses....."They need to be delivered to schools in a way that is strongly supported, to fundamentally change teaching and learning practice in every classroom in New South Wales." 1) What specific strategies will be in place to ensure the delivery is strongly supported? 2) How will new Syllabuses fundamentally change teaching and learning practice? 3) What is the agreed, evidence based, professionally endorsed, pedagogical framework? And again… what are the consultation processes? 14:24:40 From Stuart Wylie : thanks Bob 14:30:26 From Brent Kunkler : On speaking just now with SINSW it is anticipated that as per last holiday and with Covid as it still is Share Our Space will not be going ahead these holidays. However, that decision has not officially been signed off. 14:34:45 From Michael Trist : Stu - can we ask about the QTSS issue for drought affected schools? 14:35:55 From Bob Willetts : Can we turn of the fire hydrant of other stuff please. 14:36:24 From Stuart Wylie : Can you word it up please Michael That was discussed when I was on the phone to my DEL. 14:38:56 From Bob Willetts : The SEIA website support is really good. 14:40:47 From Lyn Davis : Have or when will schools be advised which operational directorate they will be in? 14:47:59 From Bob Willetts : on the map .... Looked like a bit of a drive from EDEN to Silverton/Tibooburra Murat. 14:48:04 From Michael Trist : Stu - emailed it to you 14:48:08 From Irene Faros : Covid changes going into Term 4 major events. We need lead in time and not have sudden changes. It will be unsettling for the community if changes happen which throws out our organisation. 14:48:22 From Irene Faros : Sorry above is question for Murat. Cathy 14:49:43 From Dawn Dallas : Will an opportunity to provide feedback be given again where changes in DELs have been seen? 14:50:13 From Stuart Wylie : Thanks Tristy 14:50:22 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : we didn't have COVID in 2019 14:50:49 From Steve McAlister : Additional ODs means additional EDs - so more 'head office' staff. And moving to 8 ODs - shouldn't be long and we'll be back to 10 'regions' - sorry, ODs... 14:51:53 From Peter Flannery : What rating is acceptable or above average? Is a score of 4 good? 14:54:34 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : more back office staff … increased workload on principals and their staff … SILO building or are they all chasing wind-mills? 14:54:34 From Michelle Shelton : Often DELs are overly focussed on NAPLAN scores. All DELs should understand the limitations of NAPLAN. This is not always the case and I hear that frustration from Principals. A small percentage of time should be spent on NAPLAN data not the major focus 14:57:59 From Dawn Dallas : Could this process be repeated on a smaller scale for new and Relieving DELs? 15:02:11 From Greg McLaren : and PPC meetings from home 15:03:41 From Trish Peters : Thanks for calling out double standards 15:04:09 From Lyn Davis : Great response Murat. Professionals can make a professional decision around what is best. 15:04:21 From Robyn Evans : Great clarity Murat and Cathy. Thank you from the membership. 15:04:44 From Bob Willetts : "The NSWPPA consultation provides valuable contributions to the full spectrum of department operations......"