08:18:41 From Trish Peters (Trish Peters) : If you receive an email today about canned meat, don't open it, it's spam! 08:25:16 From Ian Reeson : hahahahaha 08:25:41 From Ian Reeson : happy Friday 08:27:14 From Mick McCann : @caroly Nuget - is that your school in the background? 08:28:10 From Helen Craigie : Happy Friday everyone 08:28:32 From Rob Walker : Happy Fri-yay!! :-) 08:29:27 From Trish Peters (Trish Peters) : One more dad joke in honour of Father's Day - Anyone else able to tie rope using telekinesis??? Thought knot..... 08:29:55 From Michael Windred : Classic 08:30:21 From Helen Craigie : Happy Fathers Day to all those Dads in ZOOM land 08:30:44 From Michael Windred : What do you call a fly with no wings? ... A walk. 08:31:00 From Trish Peters : Yep Happy Father's Day all you dads :) 08:31:38 From Peter Flannery : What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye matey! 08:32:09 From Tracy Anderson : Just a follow up re SI for LEED schools, I have had it confirmed that the SI for those schools involved in the project are not due at the end of the term. All plans are due end Term 1 2021 08:32:27 From Trish Peters : Keep those dad jokes coming until we have to be sensible :) 08:32:59 From Scott Sanford : What do sprinters eat before a race? Nothing, they fast. 08:33:29 From Peter Flannery : Good look, Burgo 08:33:53 From Michael Burgess : Just following up your pirate joke 08:34:58 From Carolyn Nugent : socks 08:35:31 From Kathryn Weston : I agree Robyn Go the Sharks!!! 08:35:37 From Simon Mulready : Mark Pritchard stopped at the op-shop on the way here 08:35:59 From Jude Hayman : I was born in 74 08:35:59 From Michael Windred : The sharks love playing the panthers. 08:36:10 From Rob Walker : Dad joke with educational theme: What did the instructor at the school for Kamikaze pilots say to his students? Watch closely. I'm only going to do this once. 08:36:12 From Peter Flannery : I'm liking Mick McCann's background. Bring on 2021! 08:40:44 From Bob Willetts : Good News: Just received an out of session Curriculum and Assessment Committee paper on the Classical Hebrew Stage 6 Course Prescriptions for your noting....... I say "so noted". 08:41:34 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Dad JOKE .. Q: What happens to nitrogen when the SUN comes up? A: It becomes DAYtrogen! 08:41:37 From Michael Burgess : Happy for secondary Principals to join our day just as soon as we have equity in staffing, equity in access to Principal classifications, and equity in executive release 08:42:00 From Trish Peters : This is good news about the cultural competency as the AERG has mentioned this in this council report 08:42:34 From Rob Walker : Here, here Michael B. 08:43:59 From Corwin Australia Administrator to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Hi Ian….apologies again. Just joined after dropping off the kids :) 08:44:38 From Jude Hayman : Kerry Barker will also be joining us a little late today... 08:46:52 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Did not the MINISTER state yesterday that the GOVT had noted the contract aspect 08:47:08 From Tracy Anderson : @michaelburgess well said! 08:48:38 From Rob Walker : Correct Greg. The question being put here is why 'Noted' and not 'Not supported'. Is working on keeping Latham in a place of peace or is she leaving room to move on this in the future. 08:49:06 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : If NOTED we can be sure that these will become gov policy and implemented in the background 08:49:53 From Rob Walker : 'Noted' is interpreted is 'Thanks for your advice but we are not planning to do anything with the suggestion at this time'. 08:50:51 From Narelle Hunt : Do we get this powerpoint 08:51:10 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : CESE … yet another SILO that is being built and NOT answerable to anyone 08:51:20 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Ben carter is an apology will be in later 08:51:29 From Tony D'Amore : It is also worth noting that some schools don't have a formal P&C- At Rosehill we have a parent group but not a formal P&C 08:51:29 From Rob Walker : In unpacking Adrian Piccoli's thoughts on community consultation, his view is we should develop the SIP then go to the community asking where they can help with its implementation. This is community consultation in his mind (post his experience as a Minister). 08:52:01 From Irene Faros : Is it possible for us to get a copy of this powerpoint to share with our PPC? 08:52:14 From Rob Walker : It will go into the kit Irene. 08:52:27 From Stephen De Roos : well said Rob We have the final say. 08:52:50 From Michelle Shelton : In the new What works Best it was very obvious that CESE has a very high opinion of themselves. The new document predominately quoted CESE. It seems very insular that the main focus was CESE quoting CESE. 08:52:55 From Trish Peters : The proposed new accountability framework seems to imply that the system will tell us what we can spend our funds on 08:53:27 From Rob Walker : Stephen, in his mind its about respecting our expertise. He made comparisons to doctors and other professionals. What consultation looks like in those spaces. 08:53:28 From Michael Burgess : Good call out @Michelle Shelton 08:54:13 From Stephen De Roos : and community is not accountable We are 08:54:28 From Trish Peters : And only those schools considered exemplar can innovate according the framework 08:54:38 From Rob Walker : Michelle, as an Exec we're very concerned about the level of influence CESE is being permitted, including in areas unrelated to their work. 08:55:07 From Michelle Shelton : Exactly Robyn - Schools with lowest results often need to be the most creative with how they support students 08:55:10 From Phil Seymour : Power point will be available 08:55:19 From Simon Mulready : Good on you, Robyn. I think CESE do important work, but they have no idea of the daily challenges faced in schools. 08:55:29 From Helen Craigie : Hearing you Robyn!! 08:55:44 From Carolyn Nugent : Thank you Robyn, yet again decision making from non Educator background people 08:56:13 From Shane Fletcher : The DEL contracts - might Murat's comments about balancing Networks/Operational Directorates lead to thoughts in this area? 08:56:29 From Trish Peters : They are called" exemplars" and "best in class" in the document 08:56:29 From Stuart Wylie : Agree Robyn. Too many non school people making decisions and developing policy that affects our work on the ground 08:57:02 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Good on Robyn! I thought NESA wrote syllabuses not CESE! 08:57:15 From Rob Walker : Trish, through the reform of LSLD there is a clear re-centralisation exercise occurring. We need to help shape these reforms to ensure they do not de-power a school's ability to determine, with appropriate professional input, the best priorities areas for work with our kids. 08:57:19 From Lyn Davis : Direct Instruction I believe this was tried in Queensland the results and improvements have not occurred. Look at the evidence...??? 08:57:20 From Kylie Donovan (Kylie Donovan) : Direct instruction is different from explicit. Direct instruction is where you read from a script... 08:57:21 From Stuart Wylie : Good call out Norma 08:57:33 From Tracy Anderson : with #42 I worry about the term 'failing schools' especially for our remote colleagues where getting Q teachers can be a challenge 08:58:00 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : This one, will increase the workload and stress on EVERYONE will be increase 100 fold … #31 08:58:13 From Shane Fletcher : I can,t wait to hear more about this 'accountability' document that Trish mentions but we can't see. Could this be guiding the executives conversation at present? 08:58:35 From Lisa Wright : Also isn't a program a working document so how often is it updated on the website? I'd sooner be using a program and have teachers reflecting and changing to meet the need of students than some pretty document that sits on a website 08:58:39 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : EAfS schools … are we failing schools? 08:58:43 From Jude Hayman : None of our schools our failing-Latham loves deficit language 08:58:54 From Lyn Davis : We requested to be tailored support schools. Like Robyn we are not a failing school. 08:59:01 From Greg McLaren : we dealt with this three decades ago with Mt Druitt HS labelled failures 08:59:04 From Steve McAlister : Ian's point is a good one. The fact that so many of these recommendations have been supported is a clear indication that people with little understanding of day-to-day school operations are making decisions on our behalf... 08:59:11 From Bob Willetts : `CESE doesn't have the monopoly on "Evidence" 08:59:23 From Trish Peters : Not for distribution at this stage 08:59:26 From Lyn Davis : Open plan classrooms. Again- Look at the data????? 08:59:31 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : What is the effect size of CESE? 08:59:51 From Stephen De Roos : maybe the 'failing' schools have failing services supporting their families 08:59:59 From Peter Flannery : @BobWilletts Nor on "best practice" 09:00:05 From Michelle Shelton : Increasing teacher work load in a school where teachers already face great challenges in the classroom is a joke. I don't doubt that the new behaviour policy will make life even better! 09:00:21 From Jude Hayman : Exactly! We are only as good as the system that supports us?! 09:00:39 From Simon Parson : What is the definition of a high performing school? 09:00:41 From Rob Walker : Ha. Good question Dave. I suppose this depends on 'effect on what'. 09:00:45 From Lyn Davis : Where do the arts sit in value added?? 09:01:01 From Lisa Wright : I don't have any students who meet stage outcomes across the board - many are 2-3 years behind so we would be a 'failing' school. Isolated schools like mine with 100% Aboriginal students most need innovation. I dare anyone to try and sit in a classroom at my school and read from a script lol 09:01:29 From Lyn Davis : Agreed Lisa 09:01:40 From Jude Hayman : We have to be careful, one size does not fit all....I would like to make sure Catherine Martin etc. get this message today... 09:01:53 From Peter Flannery : I think we need the Minister to come back and listen to this 09:02:15 From Tracy Anderson : @Lisa Wright, I hear you, I see the challenges that my daughter faces teaching in Walgett 09:02:29 From Carolyn Nugent : Good point Jude, innovation evolves in response to unique needs 09:03:05 From Robyn Evans Casula PS : Please express your thoughts when Catherine Thompson and Paul Wood join us... 09:03:31 From Robyn Evans Casula PS : innovation EGAGES our student in their learning .. 09:03:48 From Robyn Evans Casula PS : ENGAGES 09:03:54 From Lyn Davis : Some of the Direct Instruction type programs have been written and evaluated by the universities...... 09:06:31 From Lyn Davis : Correcy Scott 09:06:36 From Tony D'Amore : Correct 09:11:34 From Kerry Barker : Wht can we do about conflict of Ineterest with people on placement panels 09:12:20 From John Bond : 2 questions from Shellharbour PPC 09:12:27 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : @ Finance Karen are you collecting feedback about the efficacy of the process used with the schools that received financial coaching? 09:12:44 From Kerry Barker : Sorry I'll try that again, what can we do about conflict of interest with principals on placement panels? 09:14:05 From Helen Craigie : The PPC elects Principals to be on the panels 09:14:55 From Rob Walker : I can provide a reponse to Kerry's question (Exec Liaison) 09:15:04 From Lisa Wright : They keep ringing me because I spend every cent lol 09:15:41 From Rob Walker : Question of Karen (FARG). Where are we up to with the release of the 'Carry Forward Policy'? 09:16:04 From Stuart Wylie : Principals on panels are representing the PPA like those on Reference Groups. They need to understand they are not there to fight for their school. 09:16:27 From Ian Reeson : Rob W - Carry Fwd Policy is in the report 09:17:55 From Michael Burgess : Lyn did John Bond have a question? 09:18:48 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : great hair Kerry 09:19:01 From Trish Peters : Michael - I can't see a question in the chat and I can't see all the participants (I'm helping Lyn) 09:19:02 From Helen Craigie : That would be an issue for the local PPC to address 09:19:49 From Michael Burgess : In the chat John Bond said he had 2 questions from Shellharbour 09:19:55 From Stuart Wylie : Trish it was a cooment saying they have two questions from shellharbour 09:20:06 From John Bond : Mine are HR questions from Shellharbour PPC - 1. where are we at with the Staffing Methodology Review? and 2. Business Managers change of award and implications? Can Skye talk to this please? 09:20:32 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : I have a question about the Disability training mandated for school leaders for Graeme. 09:21:21 From Tracy Anderson : It would be important for delegates just to remind our members of their role at Panels. As in Merit Selection, I am confident that our colleagues can be professional. I know in the former WSR, panels were operated under this process without conflict 09:21:41 From Ben Walsh to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Hi Ian….my apologies again….I was logged in as a Corwin Consultant (wrong account - second job). So sorry mate…that was me though. 09:23:01 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : placement panels are so different everywhere - ours doesn’t sound anything like what some of you are describing. We are also an area with no SSP 09:23:39 From Ian Reeson to Ben Walsh(Privately) : thanks Ben. I did check who was on and saw your smiling face so knew It was all ok. 09:23:52 From Ben Walsh to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Thanks for understanding Ian :) 09:24:13 From Rob Walker : Agree Tracy. 09:25:02 From Tracy Anderson : @david Munday and that is the problem, ever since the realignment in 2013, we have been having this discussion, one state, one system...…... 09:26:02 From Bob Willetts : Colleagues, apologies but at 10am I have to step out to participate in an online consultation session to consider the HPGE Evaluation and Planning tool. 09:26:03 From Rob Walker : Tracy and Dave, this is one of the key reasons the review is occurring. The variations across the state were seen as a concern. 09:26:26 From Tracy Anderson : Thanks Rob 09:26:36 From Lyn Davis : Please always put your questions in the chat and and them as clear as possible. 09:26:50 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Thanks Rob 09:27:46 From Jock Garven : Karen Mortimer can you confirm the question re OOSH license fee discussion was related to the fee waivers for providers since term 2 09:31:29 From Michael Burgess : Hi everyone - as you put questions in your chat can you nominate to whom it is directed at the front of your question 09:32:53 From Helen Craigie : Norma the Disability training has been mandated for leaders 09:33:27 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Yes it has. Thanks Helen. 09:38:10 From Lyn Davis : Will Delegates get this powerpoint? 09:40:06 From Phil Seymour : It is a lot of work ….PPA involved in most… 09:40:24 From Rob Walker : George, this slide appears to layer initiatives over 3 years. Is this the reality. Will be only be pushing forward in schools on the 3 in the first column? 09:40:38 From Helen Craigie : The Disability Strategy is mentioned which is excellent . However the behaviour Strategy which has major implications for all staff and our students is not. Why is that so? 09:40:41 From Ian Reeson : Lyn - the PowerPoints are always requested. 09:41:29 From Rob Walker : George - can you confirm this slide presentation will be provided to us after the meeting? 09:42:05 From Ian Reeson : Rob - it has already been requested 09:42:18 From Rob Walker : Thanks mate. 09:47:24 From Rob Walker : Jane - why are we rushing to complete the Behaviour Strategy. Why such a short time to respond to the draft? 09:49:39 From Bob Willetts : The check in assessment are a great model for fast return of standardised assessments 09:49:42 From Jock Garven : Hello Jane, you mentioned Future Focussed Learning. Can you indicate how the Department is driving this in line with the Latham Report recommendation for Direct Instruction. 09:52:27 From Simon Mulready : Q: In what ways will the updated behaviour policy contribute to the Department's goal for improved learning outcomes? 09:52:33 From Michelle Shelton : Why has the decision been made to separate the suspension section of the behaviour policy into K-2 and 3-6? 09:54:08 From Graeme McLeod : Is it true there will not be a Director for ASTP 09:55:19 From Phil Seymour : Agree Martin 09:55:49 From Cathy Brennan : We will be able to confirm the ASTP structure within the next couple of weeks. 09:58:48 From Phil Seymour : Yes Martin use our network of friends in National bodies 09:59:21 From Bob Willetts : Agree Martin re NAPLAN report, Apologies, Robyn and I Have to step out to the HPGE consultation meeting. 10:00:32 From Martin Graham : Phil: Team NSW! 10:05:25 From Steve McAlister : How was it decided that 'physical violence' only refers to incidents that require the victim to see medical attention from a doctor or hospital??? 10:05:49 From Helen Craigie : Jane will the Health and Safety issues be addressed and included on the behaviour Strategy? 10:06:40 From Michelle Shelton : In the draft there seems to be no concern for the victim. Principals are going to be abused by parents of the victim who is targeted repeatedly in K-2 10:07:51 From Dawn Dallas : Has any research been done into what schools are implementing prior to suspension or what supports are needed in schools to support behaviour?. 10:08:12 From Rob Walker : Great question Dawn. 10:08:54 From Jude Hayman : The issue will be dealing with the parents of the 'victim' of the violence. 10:09:05 From Trish Peters : Yes there is - it is in the Professor Donna Cross review which was included in the draft strategy mailout 10:10:03 From Stephen De Roos : Can the feedback to Jane include gathering advice form health agencies in the school's zone about how they can contribute to the changes in the behaviour strategy? 10:10:44 From Carolyn Nugent : Innovative strategies to address behaviour and disabilities were proposed through the Disabilities Strategy Initiative, what has happened with these innovative initiatives proposed from across the state? 10:11:30 From Trish Peters : Very few of the projects got funded :( 10:11:51 From Rob Walker : George & Jane - this policy will influence the quality of discipline in NSW public schools. We need to ensure schools have a good range of options and resources to support our work with kids in this space. Can you assure us schools will not have less options in supporting kids in this space moving forward? 10:11:54 From Carolyn Nugent : The initiatives had good solutions 10:12:11 From Michelle Shelton : The solutions need to be in place before the policy is in place. If we rush the policy in without the supports schools will not cope 10:12:11 From Michael Trist : But suspensions are not the cause of these kids' poor outcomes 10:12:13 From Irene Faros : Will parent resources be developed? Hot topic for parents. 10:12:14 From Jude Hayman : Great reason for better early Intervention-access for all to Pre School and increased school counselling :-) as well as extensive health services. 10:12:31 From Dawn Dallas : suspension is never an option of choice 10:12:45 From Monica St Baker : well said Jude 10:13:05 From Rob Walker : Spot on Jude. 10:13:06 From Georgina Harrisson : Good call out Jude. There are a whole host of factors at play and early intervention and support for families is critical. 10:13:20 From Georgina Harrisson : We make that clear in our advice to Cabinet too. 10:14:02 From Simon Mulready : How will the system measure the impact of a new behaviour policy on school improvement? 10:15:25 From Trish Peters : Attendance, suspension and NAPLAN data I reckon :) 10:15:26 From Trish Fisher : Business as usual is already overflowing in schools - please ensure each team members projects do not come to schools at once. 10:15:27 From Stephen De Roos : How will this impact on rural and remote schools with already stretched services on offer to families? 10:17:47 From Lisa Wright : Agreed @Stephen De Roos and small schools where we have no-one off class and when there is a child targeting another child it is often daily and at home as well as school - and no there is often not bloodshed but what about when we have children too scared to come to school or constantly in tears 10:17:53 From Stuart Wylie : The strategies listed to manage significant behaviour are all of the things we put in place now and usually are not working which can result in suspension for persistent misbehaviour. 10:18:15 From Phil Seymour : Cathy could we find a time to discuss our Student Anxiety initiative with you. Trish Peters & rRb Walker are our leads in this 10:18:26 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Agree Stuart 10:18:35 From Dawn Dallas : we need to consider the impact on learning for all students in k-2 classrooms when extreme behaviour are persistent 10:18:58 From Trish Peters : Big shout out to Helen Craigie and the SWRG for the work they have done on this already - lots of great feedback to address many of your questions. 10:19:18 From Stephen De Roos : We have NDIS providers who expect families to come to them for OT and Speech services with no regard to their circumstances. 10:20:02 From Kerry Barker : I totally agree Ian. 10:20:05 From Dawn Dallas : This includes trashing classrooms etc without violence - often can take extended time to get a Dis Con and appropriate support 10:20:09 From Judi Albans : Agree with Dawn and Ian 10:20:09 From Simon Mulready : Inappropriate aggressive sexualised behaviours are also not captured in the draft policy K-2 10:20:11 From Cathy Brennan : Absolutely, Phil. Call me when you have a chance - after today, I'd suggest. 10:20:21 From Tony D'Amore : Agree 100%, well explained Ian. Thank you 10:20:27 From Lyn Davis : Great call Simon... 10:20:38 From Michelle Shelton : Exactly K-2 students can repeatedly harm with no suspension. Parents will then create big issues or Principals 10:20:52 From Trish Fisher : Will current permanent Learning support staff in schools be looked at as part of this? 10:21:01 From Judi Albans : Keeping victims safe is especially difficult is a small school when there is no staff not teaching. 10:21:35 From Lisa Wright : So true Dawn and there's no one to clean it up and put the classroom back together and this in itself can create further trauma for children from trauma backgrounds 10:22:02 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Hi Georgina thanks for sharing the experiences from the USA, what approach did the USA (New York) do within their system re suspensions? 10:25:07 From Mark Diamond : One of the greatest challenges is the incredible skillset that is necessary to create proactive responses/alternatives to suspension for these at risk kids is a thin pool currently. Recruitment and connecting up agencies are massive/important challenges 10:25:09 From Jude Hayman : Many parents don't have the ability to access services, we do it for them, and if there is no dis con then no access to NDIS 10:27:39 From Trish Peters : Mark Latham does refer to a CESE Menu of Best Practice though - menu suggests imposed?? 10:29:57 From Jock Garven : Thanks George and Jane. Appreciate your response stating the Department’s stance and commitment to current best practice and supporting schools innovating to meet the needs of this generation of learners. 10:30:03 From Cathy Brennan : My apologies, colleagues, I need to head to the next meeting. Thanks for your time. All the best for the remainder of the day. Hope you find some time to catch a breath over the weekend. 10:30:21 From Greg McLaren : great human touch Jane 10:32:24 From Rob Walker : Evaluation has been emailed to you. Please complete before the end of the day today. We really value your thoughts. 10:32:46 From Paul Byrne : COWBOYS!!! 10:32:58 From Craig Nielsen : Doesn't mean its right Mark! 10:44:03 From Greg McLaren : Can we ask Karen (although not her decision) why connected communities is under Murat (Southern NSW Dep Sec) whist Aboriginal Ed & communities is under Martin (Ed & Skills reform)? -two dep sec may cause issues or will it resolve prev issues? 10:58:31 From Michael Burgess : Welcome Karen Jones. Great to have you with us 10:59:37 From Rob Walker : Evaluation has been emailed to you. Please complete before the end of the day today. We really value your thoughts. 11:03:56 From Steve McAlister : Question for Karen Jones: Instructional Leader positions for Aboriginal Students that have been in some schools since 2018 have been discontinued from the end of this year. Given that the bare minimum for seeing any genuine shift in student outcomes and achievement is three years, can you explain why this initiative has been wound up after just 3 years? 11:07:05 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : great call out for Dunghutti @paulbyrne 11:07:07 From Ian Reeson to Karen Jones(Privately) : Hi Karen. The presentation still hasn't come through. Could you please resend to ainreeson@det.nsw.edu.au Many thanks 11:08:06 From Paul Byrne : In most schools too! Working VERY well :) 11:08:13 From Tracy Anderson : Q for Tanya, considering that in Western Syd we have one of the largest populations of Aboriginal students, is there any considerations to having a 'Darug' nest established in this area? 11:09:48 From Ian Reeson to Karen Jones(Privately) : Oops ian.reeson@det.nsw.edu.au My bad typing!!! 11:10:00 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : @Steve McAlister a very solid question 11:10:43 From Tracy Anderson : My grandson is currently engaging in this out at Walgett and loving learning 'language' 11:11:19 From Lisa Wright : Our language program is the most popular part of the week 11:13:44 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Lisa- We have started a language program (but we have not Aboriginal students) It is well embedded throughout the school. 11:16:46 From Lisa Wright : Great work Gayle 11:17:56 From Karen Jones to Ian Reeson(Privately) : So many exciting opportunities being created for our students. Many thanks for your leadership and continued commitment. 11:19:25 From Karen Jones to Ian Reeson(Privately) : I have some questions identified that we will specifically respond to at the end 11:21:12 From Phil Seymour : Tanya how do we get more info out to schools on closing the Gap & the targets? 11:21:41 From Lisa Wright : Love the languages targets Tanya - the differences in the children and their families as they take ownership of language are incredible - so empowering! 11:29:21 From Helen Craigie : Tanya guidelines and processes would be an excellent resource. 11:29:22 From Trish Fisher : Bondi PPC are interested in language and culture, so far advice is ‘Sydney Language’ we would like more information when can. Thanks 11:29:26 From Tracy Anderson : Thanks Tanya - really important for our kids as there is some issue with identity that other groups don't seem to experience 11:31:53 From Tanya Neal : absolutely Tracy! 11:34:57 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : great call out paul byrne 11:35:11 From Tanya Neal : Tracy - I will have someone from my team contact you 11:35:24 From Steve McAlister : Our Wiradjuri language and culture program is very successful and has been for more than 10 years. We have lessons for all students K-6, a Wiradjuri Choir that performs at school and community events all over the central west (not during Covid), and our Junior AECG reps give Acknowledge of Country in language at all school events! 11:35:26 From Tracy Anderson : Thanks Tanya 11:35:52 From Tanya Neal : Love that comment Lisa! 11:36:10 From Simon Mulready : Can we get a link for staff interested in the State-wide staffroom? 11:36:41 From Tanya Neal : Gayle - that is fabulous news! Aboriginal education is everyone's business 11:37:17 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Thanks Tanya. The students have learnt the National Anthem is language 11:37:42 From Tanya Neal : Love hearing all these fabulous stories Steve 11:38:03 From Paul Byrne : https://teams.microsoft.com/l/team/19%3ade69dd0df2aa4bd7bb2d6ebdbbf8863f%40thread.tacv2/conversations?groupId=f44b1107-14e1-4042-af2a-6024389a144f&tenantId=05a0e69a-418a-47c1-9c25-9387261bf991 11:38:18 From Paul Byrne : Link to Statewide Staffroom in Teams 11:38:29 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Nice promotion @paul 11:38:29 From Tanya Neal : Will get that link out to all Simon for the staffroom 11:39:05 From Paul Byrne : lol 11:39:17 From Simon Mulready : thank you 11:39:24 From Ian Reeson : Welcome Catherine Thomson, we will begin yor session shortly. 11:40:50 From Helen Craigie : Excellent presentation thank you Karen and Tanya; such positivity! 11:41:00 From Tanya Neal : thanks all! 11:44:19 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Agree Helen, some great stuff 11:45:53 From Tracy Anderson : Hi there Kay Smith! 11:47:07 From Rob Walker : Evaluation has been emailed to you. Please complete before the end of the day today. We really value your thoughts. 11:50:04 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Communication is a massive issue for our members - our communication and engagement committee is happy to provide feedback for you 11:50:48 From Judi Albans : Apologies I've had to duck out a couple of times, I'm managing a few things here. 11:54:53 From Phil Seymour : Kay so are you thinking about surveying schools to determine if the staterooms have been helpful & should continue? 11:55:15 From Simon Mulready : The team's work in providing these resources, was outstanding. The Learning from Home hub = tremendous! 11:57:49 From Stuart Wylie : Need to determine how many of the 6000 are active users and didn't just sign up 11:58:10 From Jude Hayman : The maths site that has been developed is brilliant, has it been launched yet? 12:00:21 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : @stu wylie we need to determine the same thing for our number of yammer users and many other platforms 12:01:02 From Stuart Wylie : Agreed @Dave Munday 12:01:13 From Paul Wood : Hi Jude, not yet released but really glad you think it is brilliant. It will be a great resource. 12:05:32 From Trish Peters : If IL a career path - who would be an AP then? 12:05:58 From Lyn Davis : So true Trish.... 12:06:13 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Or a TP Trish 12:06:16 From Jude Hayman : Thanks Paul, do you have a release date? Would be great to be able to introduce it to our Kinder 2021 parents. 12:07:11 From Scott Sanford : For some time now, non-EaFS schools have been promised access to the high impact PL that is available to our EaFS colleagues, yet this remains elusive. The Learning on Demand suite of options that have been developed during COVID-19 have shown us what is possible in terms of rolling out timely and effective PL, with equal access to educators in all parts of the state. What are the barriers stopping this from occurring with EaFS professional learning? 12:07:19 From Kay Smith : Statewide staffroom link https://education.nsw.gov.au/teaching-and-learning/learning-from-home/teaching-at-home/teaching-and-learning-resources/teacher-support/statewide-staffrooms - sign up 12:07:31 From Helen Craigie : and this includes same parity with some TPs also 12:07:32 From Scott Sanford : What consultation took place to determine the steps of the additional 12 month extension for Instructional Leaders? 12:07:43 From Greg McLaren : Stats are starting to show over representation with ILs having performance concerns 12:07:53 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : ILs have been jumping TPs for promotion 12:08:16 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : how many of these ILs are subject to Improvement Programs? 12:08:18 From Trish Peters : That's concerning Greg :( 12:08:43 From Helen Craigie : It is concerning but unfortunately it is a fact 12:08:44 From Rob Walker : Two good questions Scott. 12:08:48 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Great question Scott. 12:09:15 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Great call out scott 12:10:31 From Dawn Dallas : It would be great if every AP was empowered to be an IL within their school setting - access to PL and time. 12:10:33 From Michael Trist : I'll get your 2nd question in Scott 12:10:49 From Brent Kunkler : Excellent point Trish. Far different focus and workload for ILs as compared to mainstream APs / DPs 12:10:55 From Trish Peters : That's because the system withdrew support at the top level 12:12:00 From Stephen De Roos : If L3/EaFS has been extended and their is talk of moving on to 3-6 does this mean it will be extended past 2021? 12:12:10 From Stephen De Roos : there 12:12:11 From Jude Hayman : L3 is not a stand alone, multiple strategies are used and should be when teaching Literacy....I hope that we aren't going down the line of one size fits all 12:12:12 From Ian Reeson : exactly Trish 12:12:25 From Phil Seymour : L3 pedagogy & practices such as OPL are fantastic 12:12:53 From Trish Peters : Yes Jude Minilit and Multilit are not English teaching 12:13:07 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : L3 is one strategy and not a program, like TEN 12:13:24 From Judi Albans : A huge difficulty for continuing L3 in this area was that schools had to self fund and this priced many out of the ongoing PL and support 12:13:50 From Jude Hayman : No, all are tools to assist teachers find the right methods to suit the needs of different children. One size does not fit all! 12:13:53 From Phil Seymour : Maybe its time to set up our own L3 group and review the evidence based practice & re-work the pedagogy. A revised pedagogy 12:14:04 From Shane Fletcher : Our school moved on from L# as we made grounds, but certainly stalled. OPL is challenging for staff over repeated years! 12:14:10 From Trish Peters : Like your thinking boss! 12:14:10 From Shane Fletcher : L3 12:14:35 From Jude Hayman : We do not want students to disengage 12:15:04 From Glenn Walker : Will Lansa positions be continued in 2021? 12:15:55 From Jude Hayman : A HUGE positive of L3 was the benefits of the training for beginning teachers 12:16:30 From Jude Hayman : has anyone else researched L3 or just CESE?? 12:16:34 From Stephen De Roos : well said Jude 12:17:14 From Bob Willetts : Is there a current situational analysis of Literacy and Numeracy, a clear vision for Literacy and Numeracy? and clarity of how all of the positions and strategies contribute to the vision? 12:17:41 From Bek Zadow : The same happened to Focus on Reading (which was much more affordable for schools than L3) but none of these should be used ans stand alone practices. They're not 'programs' but strategies. This is very frustrating to schools that invest in the PL and wish to sustain it (even though I am FoR in my context) when these just keep getting 'pulled'. Our in school trainers can't even continue recognised PL through MyPL because DoE pull them, taking the choice away from Principals to have strategies we know work in our context. 12:17:57 From Lyn Davis : Where is the vision on Assessment?????We have been waiting years... 12:17:58 From Trish Peters : L3 is explicit but not systematic 12:19:29 From Jude Hayman : We should be looking at multiple strategies and using multiple strategies?? 12:19:48 From Jude Hayman : Not limiting it to one... 12:19:49 From Judi Albans : Is anyone looking at talking to universities so the graduates are learning how to teach reading and writing and have an understanding of the research behind the methods, strategies and pedagogy? 12:19:53 From Helen Craigie : Thank you for highlighting your concern as many colleagues are feeling the same frustration. 12:19:55 From Phil Seymour : Absolutely Jude 12:20:09 From Jude Hayman : a variety of PL is already provided not just L3... 12:20:20 From Simon Mulready : Our LANSA in Newcastle/Lake Mac is excellent 12:20:52 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Can such course, PL, be more affordable to schools? 12:21:15 From Helen Craigie : Our LANSA in Lismore is also excellent but 'verry' stretched 12:21:35 From Jude Hayman : There are some who are HS background and Literacy and Numeracy aren't their subjects. 12:22:06 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Spot on with all your comments Jude. 12:22:49 From Bob Willetts : Check in assessments landed really well!! Scout data is great. 12:22:51 From Carolyn Nugent : Our EAfS ILs have mapped the HSC min standards to the Progressions - interesting implications for stages 3 & 3 12:23:01 From Stephen De Roos : thank you for your work Catherine 12:23:28 From Helen Craigie : The visual is excellent 12:23:41 From Bob Willetts : The outcome mapping pages are great. 12:23:49 From Narelle Hunt : When can we expect these? 12:23:51 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : It is very useful that the phonological awareness assessment is available for all students. It has made a positive impact on our teaching. 12:23:52 From Jude Hayman : How can bias be avoided when creating one method for DoE schools to be used?? 12:25:42 From Bob Willetts : Toolbelt 12:25:44 From Scott Sanford : Good question Jude 12:26:08 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : another tool to use 12:26:16 From John Bond to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Sorry Ian I keep dropping out. 12:26:46 From Mark Diamond : A balanced approach to Reading is always based on "Meaning" being the champion! Synthetic Phonics is not the answer... We will continue to collaborate with Jann Farmer Hayley on rigorous and authentic literacy leading to deep learning and engagement for both students and teachers... 12:26:46 From Trish Peters : I don't think we have the autonomy unless we are exemplar (high-performing) schools. 12:27:48 From Ian Reeson to John Bond(Privately) : all good John, hopefully the connection settles 12:30:02 From Phil Seymour : Kay can we ensure we get copies of all ppt used today. Thanks 12:30:28 From Kay Smith : of course Phil - I'll collate and send them to you for distribution 12:30:34 From Phil Seymour : Absolutely Mark D… 12:34:03 From Bob Willetts : Much better evaluation strategy rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater 12:34:34 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : I agree Bob. 12:36:05 From Michael Burgess : Curriculum development isn't just what NESA does or DoE support it is the development of depth of content knowledge over time in schools, the development of resources and teaching skills. The problem has been we've had syllabus after syllabus without the space to develop that depth of content knowledge. It sounds like we are in for more short turn arounds - this won't lead to quality curriculum 12:36:35 From Kathryn Weston : In regards to statewide staffroom is it just at the moment that we have so much online due to the COVID situation that teachers just don't want to sit in front of a screen more than they have to. I think it would be great for small rural and remote school schools with small staff numbers to have this engagement 12:37:05 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : So true Michael Burgess. 12:37:57 From Michelle Shelton : The one thing I hear from teachers when I have mentioned the staffrooms - I don't have time for that on top of everything else. There is only so much information that they can take on board. They need serious chunks of time off class - especially when we are now talking about new syllabus AGAIN! 12:38:09 From Bob Willetts : Listening to Paul and reflecting on the PL about Evaluative Thinking by Duncan Rintoul (Which Paul clearly gets) ....... wondering how deeply that is understood throughout the system.... and political sphere. 12:38:35 From Milly Stone (Milly Stone) : That is very true. Staff are over loaded and this is just one more thing 12:39:02 From Phil Seymour : Michael Burgess I remember back to the Maths syllabus the old blue & white covered version. We had incredible implementation support with resources & a focus on a better pedagogy. It went for years as u suggest 12:39:03 From Steve McAlister : @Bob Willetts and @Michael Burgess - both very good points, and well stated. 12:39:09 From Trish Peters : The NSWTF meeting yesterday highlighted the need for extra RFF for teachers and APs to address this need for time Michelle 12:39:59 From Michael Burgess : Paul mentioned looking back at syllabus implementation over the last couple of years - perhaps need to look further back. 12:40:11 From Steve McAlister : @Phil Seymour - you'd remember the old just blue Maths syllabus wouldn't you??? 12:40:18 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Trish- did they mention TP? 12:40:48 From Trish Peters : No, not specifically :( 12:40:58 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Paul we would love you to come to our Reference Group re Technology Syllabus- Drew 12:43:35 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Gayle Pinn I have highlighted that discrepancy with NSWTF and will be putting a motion forward regarding that. Happy to talk offline with you about it at a time that suits if you like. 12:44:47 From Michael Burgess : @Phil Seymour @ Steve McAlister the old 1987 blue and white maths syllabus was a great model for implementing a syllabus 12:45:31 From Jude Hayman : Reassuring Paul to hear awareness of contexts and varying needs. 12:45:41 From Bob Willetts : I think the constant syllabus churn is a limiting factor to student performance. 12:46:01 From Trish Peters : And teacher burnout?? 12:46:03 From Monica St Baker : So true Bob! 12:46:40 From Bob Willetts : Tablets... the ten literacy commandments 12:47:04 From Jude Hayman : we wanted the streamlining though, just a shame the politicians are pushing for 4 years instead of 10!! 12:47:29 From Michael Burgess : Each school had a syllabus expert trained up to provide ongoing support beyond initial training 12:47:29 From Kay Smith : thanks Norma - much appreciated 12:47:47 From Michelle Shelton : There needs to be a push for some teacher release time tied to the roll out 12:47:56 From Stuart Wylie : Good call out Tristy 12:48:08 From Trish Peters : For sure Michelle! 12:48:47 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : If phil tells the story about being a consultant with greg pryor again - can we make him donate to Stewart house????? HAHAHA 12:49:26 From Steve McAlister : Doesn't it make a difference speaking to folks from a teaching background?!?!? 12:49:47 From Kerry Barker : Agreed Steve. 12:49:53 From Steve McAlister : Absolutely @Dave Munday 12:49:57 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : It most definitely does Steve. 12:50:39 From Michael Windred : Yup 12:50:47 From Kerry Barker : Congratulations to all recipients 12:50:49 From Michael Burgess : Well deserved recipients 12:50:53 From Monica St Baker : supported 12:51:10 From Tony D'Amore : congratulations team 12:51:13 From Jude Hayman : It sure does Steve! 12:51:14 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Well done! 12:51:30 From Benjamin Carter : Congratulations to all recipients 12:51:39 From Rob Walker : Well deserving recipients +++ 12:51:50 From Carolyn Nugent : Lisa Freedman 12:52:09 From Helen Craigie : Congratulations to all recipients 12:52:34 From Mark Diamond : Congratulations Colleagues! 12:52:45 From Robyn Urquhart : Congratulations to all recipients 12:55:56 From Lyn Davis : Helen 12:56:12 From Lyn Davis : How confident are you they will listen to ffedback? 12:56:40 From Bob Willetts : Good question. 12:57:28 From Rob Walker : Trish and Helen, overall how are we feeling about how the DoE team are working with us on the Behaviour Policy? 12:58:41 From Dawn Dallas : A much more logical approach would have been to assess needs, improve the supports available then look at the shift in suspension rates rather than change suspension procedures. 12:59:20 From Stuart Wylie : This has potential to be an industrial issue in relation to staff wellbeing. Do we know what the T.Fed are doing in this space. 12:59:52 From Jude Hayman : Will it be the political angles that are the blockers?? 13:00:34 From Dawn Dallas : I agree Stuart. I have already had teachers say that they do not feel their wellbeing is being considered. 13:02:40 From Phil Seymour : As I mentioned Federation claim they haven’t been involved in review of behaviour policy 13:04:46 From Phil Seymour : Helen & Trish …as we have been all asked to comment ..will the SWRG put some points out for us to all use in our responses 13:05:20 From Michelle Shelton : Extra red tape as well. Directors are involved a lot more. If you have a difficult director their expectations could be unrealistic 13:06:02 From Lyn Davis : Jane asked for strategies as I recall. 13:06:08 From Jude Hayman : Exactly Helen, resources will be key 13:06:38 From Rob Walker : The policy is likely to impact the quality of discipline in our schools and will influence community perception of public education. 13:06:40 From Bob Willetts : 2.0 FTE staff focused on wellbeing as per the election promise for secondary. 13:06:52 From Rob Walker : Evaluation has been emailed to you. Please complete before the end of the day today. We really value your thoughts. 13:07:00 From Ian Reeson : FTE 3.0 for primary 13:07:16 From Michael Windred : 4.0 for central schools 13:18:24 From Michael Burgess : Peter Flannery - love that you are listening to footy whilst on the break 13:18:59 From Peter Flannery : Yep, got to catch up with last night's results! Go the Swans... 13:19:14 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Burgo - I was just trying to work out who it was - i thought my phone was on or something 13:19:25 From Greg McLaren : been siting back listening to behav strategy. In 2016 i represented the PPA on a lengthy cross portfolio Student Behavioural Mgt Invervention working party chaired by H&SD. The aim of project was to review WHS risk mgt guidelines to manage stud behave and promote safe work practices for staff 13:21:33 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Remember when we used to bang on about exec release and peter riordan responded that if it was that important why weren’t we already spending our money on it? Is this another example - should we be including wellbeing roles in our plans and the need for them in our Situational Analysis. If tshi sort of info appears in 1800 new school plans does that give us the moral imperative (insert effect size) 13:22:22 From Helen Craigie : Could we talk offline Greg as I would value your feedback/ideas from both a H&S and legal perspective. there are a couple of points within the doc which may not pass legal muster. Thanks 13:25:39 From Bob Willetts : Good call out Dave 13:28:52 From Shane Fletcher : Really missing the State Council mini pies this week. Just thought I should share in case anyone else feels the same. 13:35:59 From Steve McAlister : @Shane Fletcher - catering here has been outstanding. Love working from home! 13:40:13 From Irene Faros : Previous presentation said it is the decommissioning of PBL positions to create behaviour positions? 13:40:27 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : What training will these specialist teachers have, in comparison to their peers? 13:40:47 From Trish Peters : That's right Irene 13:41:27 From Jude Hayman : Any other resources aside from Behaviour specialists? Human resources to support possible in school suspensions? 13:42:21 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : We have over 2400 schools in NSW; 36 Specialist Behaviour Teachers will be over stretched - what other support will principals, and their staff receive, if the specialist support is already exhausted? 13:42:41 From Kerry Barker : If there are 36 behaviour specialists, what's the ratio to schools? How accessible will they be? 13:43:10 From Carolyn Nugent : ITB positions were cut a few years ago, how are these new positions different? 13:43:32 From Michael Burgess : 2200 schools divided by 36 = 61 schools each 13:43:45 From Stuart Wylie : One major concern in relation to the new suspension policy is the strategies for dealing with Major Behaviours of Concern. The strategies listed to manage these behaviours are the things we put in place now and often are not working which result in suspensions for persistent misbehaviour. Why are we removing this category of suspension? 13:44:18 From Dawn Dallas : Increased access to ED/BD classes and support to access Paed appointments for students as needed. Simplified process to access Integration funding while waiting for formal diagnosis in early years would be great 13:45:00 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : why did principal's find out about the release in the 6:30am news, whilst the email to them was not received until 7:06am - the same day? 13:45:05 From Carolyn Nugent : Totally support Dawn's comment 13:45:21 From Stuart Wylie : Across the state we need a behaviour expert in every Network. 13:45:57 From Judi Albans : Still have a concern about what is going to be done to change the attitudes of the parents in supporting the need to manage their child's behaviour and work WITH the school. A suspension has often been the only way to get parents to face the problem. May only be a problem for us. 13:45:58 From Jude Hayman : I think we are open to changes, I think the concern centres around having the resources in schools to support them. What will be available IN schools?? 13:45:59 From Steve McAlister : Hear hear @Stuart Wylie 13:46:39 From Tracy Anderson : In theory a wonderful, admirable concept but in reality......we simply do not have enough people to do the job that needs to be done. Take Counsellors as the example 13:46:53 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : @Dawn Dallas … well stated 13:47:05 From Graeme McLeod : there are many students with a Disability that also have significant behaviour needs. Are these students and schools also going to be supported 13:48:05 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : Name: Shirt Size: 13:48:07 From Stuart Wylie : No 13:48:38 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : In-school suspensions are human resource reliant, as such what additional human resources will principals be given? 13:48:48 From Trish Fisher : Principal choice on using an in-school suspension or not VERY problematic 13:49:21 From Jude Hayman : How do APLs fit in the picture? Will there still be an expectation for them to provide support?? 13:49:42 From Judi Albans : In school suspensions only possible if child is compliant to this. 13:50:59 From Tracy Anderson : In school suspension should be taken off the table, it will only put additional pressure on the school/principal IF they choose not to implement the strategy. Many schools when they can, in-act class exclusion (in school suspension) allow that to continue informally 13:51:00 From Kerry Barker : Good point Judi, there are times where the behaviour certainly wouldn't work for an in school suspension. 13:51:08 From Stuart Wylie : Students with Complex Behaviour needs are an increasing minority. However, they have a huge impact on the safety and wellbeing of other students and staff. We absolutely need an increase of resourcing for primary, central and SSP settings to enable this policy to be implemented effectively. 13:51:49 From Dawn Dallas : In school suspension is not a choice when you do not have the resources to support it. 13:51:50 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : I agree Tracy. It is very problematic. 13:52:09 From Bob Willetts : Agree with Tracey. Especially in the absence of additional resources. 13:52:26 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : the timing of this, is at a most inappropriate time, due to many factors outside of principals controls, are you aware of the additional burden and stress that you are placing on principals and their staff; and, adding to the stress and anxieties of all the teachers in our system. 13:52:58 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Agree Greg. 13:53:08 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : agree greg 13:53:31 From Jude Hayman : What will be provided in the positions that can't be filled? How wil they ensure there are quality people placed in the position? 13:53:35 From Bob Willetts : Awesome!!!! 1.0 FTE School Counsellor / 1.0 Student wellbeing (Behaviour) in Primary Schools. 13:53:53 From Bob Willetts : "Election commitment" 13:53:54 From Brent Kunkler : I have parents who will take no responsibility for their child's behaviour. Put an in school option and that is all they would want. 13:54:05 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : @Bob Willetts …. YES 13:54:15 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Totally agree. 13:54:18 From Tracy Anderson : Many schools are funding a BM to manage an area that has been pushed upon us. Do we now need to employ an off class specialist to manage this as well? When does this stop? 13:54:24 From Jock Garven : Surely these budget bids should be secured before implementation. 13:54:27 From Kerry Barker : I agree Brent 13:54:51 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : @Jock Gaven …. agree! 13:54:52 From Steve McAlister : Great question @Tracy Anderson 13:55:16 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : @Brent … well said 13:55:46 From Simon Parson : Who coordinates the interagency support? 13:55:46 From Trish Fisher : ‘In school education’ voice should have more say we are dealing with behaviours everyday 13:55:51 From Kathryn Weston : Not acceptable that rural areas will probably only be serviced via Zoom - what good is that. Let's continue to increase the divide 13:56:05 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : that definition of assault is not the same as that used by Police 13:56:10 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Far West Principals certainly would be worried where they are located due to our isolation. 13:56:54 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Yes Kathryn. It is so difficult for kids to get any support in rural areas. 13:57:57 From Trish Fisher : Prefer a delay in implementation so that it can be implemented properly. 2021 too soon. 13:58:17 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : were victims interviewed or asked for their input to the report that this is based on? 13:58:29 From Kathryn Weston : Another aeroplane taking off before it is built properly 13:58:38 From Steve McAlister : Don't worry @Glen Walker - Zoom will fix it! 13:58:57 From Dawn Dallas : Ongoing exposure in a kindergarten classroom to extreme behaviours can be terrifying for young students even when not violent. These students need to be considered. We need to balance the rights of all children. 13:59:33 From Tracy Anderson : The problem here is that a whole of state approach does not and will not work with a state that has such diversity as ours. If the DoE wishes to be truly responsive to the needs of students and communities, then adopt a RAM like approach of funding and resources specifically relating to wellbeing is required. Prioritise - our rural colleagues and kids need it 13:59:48 From Steve McAlister : Our 'local' Paed (120 km away) is not taking on any new clients!!! 14:00:02 From Jude Hayman : Great idea Tracey, contextualise the support 14:00:12 From Ian Reeson : ALL presentations available from State Council are now available at... NSWPPA State Council Team - Delegate Information for PPC\2020\Term 3 a link will follow in chat and be emailed following State Council. 14:00:18 From Ian Reeson : https://teams.microsoft.com/_#/school/files/Delegate%20Information%20for%20PPC?threadId=19%3Ac1ce486f5a244bdbb0eea9ca0881484b%40thread.skype&ctx=channel&context=Term%25203&rootfolder=%252Fsites%252FNSWPPA-StateCouncil%252FShared%2520Documents%252FArea%2520Council%2520Information%252F2020%252FTerm%25203 14:01:16 From Stuart Wylie : They need the same training as the behaviour specialists. That sounds like a positive way forward Karen. 14:02:50 From Helen Craigie : Thanks Karen and Ben 14:04:29 From Tracy Anderson : Great suggestion! 14:04:39 From Tracy Anderson : for next time... 14:10:12 From Carolyn Nugent : Would Shellharbour be willing to share this survey? 14:10:41 From Narelle Hunt : I'd love a copy too 14:10:45 From Leonie Clarkson : Is this something we should all consider doing to create a state wide snapshot? 14:12:25 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Border schools have had the added pressure of staff/students not being able to attend school, and constant changes to the border restrictions. Border schools have also had added restrictions put on what we can and can’t do, ie we were told be our DEL- no one in and no-one out. 14:13:40 From Jock Garven : I am presenting our findings to our DEL next Tuesday. 14:14:28 From Trish Fisher : Bondi has one in the work adapted from the Shellharbour survey 14:15:14 From Rob Walker : Noted Trish. Please ensure this comes through to Grace (PSRG) and State Executive. 14:15:27 From Trish Fisher : Will do 14:16:04 From Jock Garven : One question in our survey that really touched principals was where we asked them to just tell their own and school’s story. No guidance, just some nice story sharing. 14:16:49 From Rob Walker : Great question Jock. Strikes at the heart of why each of us chooses to do what we do. 14:19:57 From Jock Garven : The concerning statistic is around those now questioning whether it’s all too much and questioning their longer term commitment to the principalship. Some great people. 14:20:38 From Gregory Grinham (Greg Grinham) : miss you already Lyn 14:20:55 From Michael Windred : Great work Lyn 14:21:04 From Kerry Barker : Thank you Lyn for doing an outstanding job. 14:21:31 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Thanks Lyn for all your work and dedication to the PPA. We shall miss you! 14:21:36 From Phil Seymour : We will certainly miss you Lyn & your incredible work effort & advocacy for our colleagues 14:21:42 From Bob Willetts : You'll be missed Lyn. Wonderful work for the NSWPPA and some amazing legacies for which you should be so proud!!! 14:21:48 From Helen Craigie : We will so miss you both personally and professionally Lyn. An outstanding contribution !! 14:21:53 From Michael Burgess : Lyn your contribution to your peers has been immense - especially around leadership and support. 14:22:24 From Graeme McLeod : oustanding Lyn- thank you from all of us in the Central Coast 14:22:35 From Rob Walker : Lyn has been an absolute champion to work alongside and has become a good friend. So sad to see her sign off from this role but honoured to have worked with you Lyn. 14:22:35 From Mark Gosbell : Thanks for everything you've done Lyn. You'll be sorely missed. 14:22:39 From Craig Nielsen : I second that - will miss seeing your caring smile, Lyn. Thanks for all you have personally done for me and my colleagues in Bondi PPC 14:23:06 From Peter Flannery : Thanks and congratulations Lyn 14:23:18 From Tracy Anderson : On behalf of Blacktown, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! 14:23:34 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : so is it a 12 month contract? 14:24:28 From Shane Fletcher : so a new 0.4 rather than an increase to existing personnel? 14:24:29 From Carolyn Nugent : Many thanks Lyn from all in the Batemans Bay PPC too:) 14:24:41 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Thank you Lyn for your amazing work over the years from all of us in the Hawkesbury! 14:24:57 From Stuart Wylie : You have put an enormous amount of time and commitment in to working tirelessly for the PPA Lyn. You will be missed. 14:25:01 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Outstsanding 14:25:11 From Leonie Clarkson : Thank you Lyn. Advocating and supporting Principals to the final hour 14:25:21 From Michael Trist : Nice array of comments above Lyn - congratulations 14:25:27 From John Bond : Great working with you Lyn 14:25:33 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : Thanks lyn form all the way back in the leadership group in the early days 14:25:35 From Andrew Hooper : Thank You Lyn 14:25:49 From Dawn Dallas : Thank you Lyn 14:25:53 From Phillip Katen : Great work Lyn. Thank you!! 14:26:03 From Margaret Charlton : You have been an outstanding support and advocate for colleagues 14:26:05 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Great work Lyn Broken Hill 14:26:08 From Steve McAlister : Lyn Davis - AWESOME!!! 14:26:29 From Paul Byrne : Congratulations, Lyn. Awesome contribution! 14:26:30 From Karen Mortimer : Thank you for all your work Lyn. We will miss your empathy, depth of knowledge and thoughtfulness. 14:27:16 From Robyn Urquhart : Thank you Lyn for all of your work MNC 14:27:40 From Scott Sanford : Thank you Lyn, amazing work across so many areas. 14:27:47 From Stuart Wylie : Thanks also to Ian for his outstanding dedication and hard work to support members across the state. great job! 14:28:05 From Lyn Davis : Thank you everyone I am proud to have served and humbled by your responses. 14:28:19 From Sharon Murray : From Sharon Murray Outstanding work and efforts Lyn. 14:29:35 From Trish Peters : And a well-deserved Fellowship Lyn - thanks for being my train buddy for all these years :) xoxo 14:29:48 From Rob Walker : Evaluation has been emailed to you. Please complete before the end of the day today. We really value your thoughts. 14:34:43 From Trish Peters : Mark - I have sent this question through to Mark Scott 14:34:53 From Geoff Scott : Congratulations and thank you to Lyn, Ian and all the outgoing State Executive team members!! 14:35:24 From Phil Seymour : Its on the Agenda fro Mark on Monday 14:36:05 From Michael Windred : Can anyone get their hands on the complex learners assessment? 14:37:14 From Christine Freeman : Thanks Bek for your help 14:37:40 From Mark Gosbell : Contact for the Assessment for Complex Learners Trial is: 14:38:43 From Judi Albans : Do we know publicly which schools are the pilot hub and spoke model? 14:39:05 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Thanks Ben. I received an acceptance to the RnRLDP 14:39:06 From Mark Gosbell : Kavi Razzaghi-Pour Assessment for Complex Learners Advisor | Strategic Analysis Unit T (02) 7814 3175 | M 0436 838 982 | E kavi.razzaghi-pour1@det.nsw.edu.au 14:39:08 From Mark Gosbell : Alex Oo Leader, Assessment for Complex Learners Trial | Strategic Analysis Unit M 0468 339 307| E alex.oo2@det.nsw.edu.au 14:39:25 From Craig Nielsen : Well done Bek 14:39:25 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : *Bek, not Ben 14:39:36 From Michael Windred : Got it. Thank you. 14:40:03 From Mark Gosbell : No problem @Michael Windred 14:40:50 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Thanks Bek! 14:41:05 From Dave MUNDAY - C&E Chair : great call out drew 14:47:11 From Simon Parson : Great work, Drew. 14:52:44 From Tracy Anderson : That last point is spot on as we and teachers are all employed under the Teaching Services Act 14:53:14 From Greg McLaren : we have the stats of underperforming principals and those under investigation - very small representation 14:53:51 From Leonie Clarkson : Great wok - a clear position, well articulated 14:54:05 From Bob Willetts : Greg: Present company excluded :-) 14:54:32 From Drew Janetzki (Drew Janetzki) : Thanks Michael 14:54:35 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Well done Michael. 14:54:46 From Michael Burgess : Great work Michael Trist and team 14:55:35 From Jock Garven : Ian, appreciate the efficiency of your management of our zoom meetings. 14:55:38 From Michael Trist to Ian Reeson(Privately) : Reeso - that Contracts PP is in the archive on Teams - ready to go 14:56:12 From Bob Willetts : Super work Michaell!!!! 14:56:28 From Narelle Hunt : Great work Ian 14:56:33 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Thanks exec team you have done a fabulous job as usual! 14:56:35 From Michael Windred : Thank you Mr Reeson. It has been great working with you and getting to know you. You're a good man. 14:56:36 From Shane Fletcher : Great job Ian Reeson. We will miss you! 14:56:51 From Helen Craigie : Thanks Ian. Excellent work 14:56:55 From Bob Willetts : The Covid support and QR code stuff is in the teams folder 14:56:56 From Trish Peters : John Farnham too :) 14:57:03 From Peter Flannery : Well done Reeso! 14:57:05 From Kerry Barker : Thank you for the wonderful job you have done as Vice President. 14:57:12 From Judi Albans : thank you Ian for all your support at state council at TBPPC 14:57:13 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Thanks Ian for all your work. Well done! 14:57:16 From Dawn Dallas : Thank you for all your efforts 14:57:21 From Michael Burgess : Thank you Ian Reeson for your outstanding contribution to your colleagues. 14:57:30 From Stuart Wylie : Reeso you will be missed. 14:57:35 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Well done Ian 14:57:40 From Steve McAlister : Great work Reeso, from someone who knows first hand what an unruly beast the PPA website and electronic communication platforms can be 14:57:41 From Mark Gosbell : Thanks so much Ian - very very much appreciated. 14:57:43 From Shane Fletcher : Enough - he's a Queenslander!!! 14:57:46 From Trish Fisher : Thanks Ian! 14:57:54 From Paul Byrne : Awesome job, Ian. Fantastic effort! 14:57:58 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Thank you Ian on behalf of Hawkesbury! Amazing work. 14:58:00 From Bob Willetts : Also Reeso, awesome work! great legacies. Brilliant support and outstanding advocacy!!! 14:58:06 From Simon Mulready : Congratulations, Lyn and Reeso 14:58:24 From Andrew Hooper : well done Ian and Lyn and thanks Exec for a very informative and well organised 2 days 14:59:10 From Ian Reeson to Michael Trist(Privately) : Thanks Tristy 14:59:57 From Robyn Urquhart : Thank you Ian from MNC for all of your work 14:59:59 From Bob Willetts : Agree Tristy! 15:00:24 From Craig Nielsen : Why 4 days not the 5 days, when the new office will be open?? 15:01:08 From Karen Mortimer : Thank you for all you have done, Ian. Outstanding leadership, with good humour abounding. 15:01:22 From Helen Craigie : Random question''-What area is St Geoge PPC included in please? 15:01:29 From Tracy Anderson : Congrats Ian on all of your great work! from Blacktown 15:02:29 From Michelle Shelton : St George is in Sydney 15:02:48 From Helen Craigie : Thank you Michelle 15:04:59 From Robyn Evans Casula PS : GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !!!! 15:05:11 From Trish Peters : For sure :) 15:05:15 From Bob Willetts : Thanks for your great work Mark. Best of luck everyone. 15:05:45 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Thanks everyone. Enjoy your weekend. 15:05:46 From Trish Fisher : Thanks Exec and reference group teams. Happy Friday 15:06:08 From Stuart Wylie : Good luck all. 15:06:10 From Jason Ezzy (Sutherland PPC) : Thanks Phil, exec team and all. A very productive 2 days. 15:06:13 From Paul Byrne : Congratulations on another great job, Exec! 15:06:18 From Phillip Katen : Great work everyone!! 15:06:28 From Andrew Hooper : Phil, 15:06:28 From Simon Mulready : A really valuable SC. Thanks, Phil, PPA Exec, Mark and the team. 15:06:34 From Andrew McEachern : Thank you Phil 15:06:39 From Michael Trist : Rah! 15:06:41 From Norma Petrocco (Norma) : Thanks so much Phil. You are a champion!!! 15:06:42 From Ben Walsh : Thanks to the PPA Exec! Great job! Thank you for your support over the years Phil. You are much appreciated by all :) 15:06:50 From Pate Cooper : Congratulations to all that are leaving PPA. Your work and commitment to the cause is to be commended. 15:06:54 From Monica St Baker : Wonderful to work with you Phil. You will be greatly missed. Mon x 15:06:55 From Gayle Pinn (Gayle Pinn) : Thanks for your leadership Phil 15:06:56 From Grant Schaefer : Thanks Phil, Robyn, Ian and the executive for a great two days well done in this Zoom era in which we live 15:06:56 From Trish Peters : Thanks boss :) 15:06:57 From Leonie Clarkson : Thanks to all for a very informative and productive 2 days 15:06:59 From Narelle Hunt : It has been my pkeasure to work with you in a number of roles over the years. 15:07:00 From Glen Walker (Glen Walker) : Well done executive from Broken Hill! Thanks Phil 15:07:02 From Pate Cooper : Well done and thank you 15:07:03 From Andrew Hooper : You have been a fantastic leader. Maybe you should apply for the Dragons coach job 15:07:04 From Mark Gosbell : Thankyou Phil for everything that you've done. Been fabulous working with you. All the very best. 15:07:05 From Michael Windred : You're a good man Phil Seymour. Thank you for your support much appreciated. 15:07:06 From Michelle Shelton : Thanks Phil Your efforts are greatly appreciated 15:07:07 From Stephen De Roos : thanks to everyone well done Phil 15:07:09 From Michael Burgess : Congratulations Phil on your contribution. Strong leadership, a real focus on the wellbeing of Principals and dedication to the association 15:07:09 From Trish Fisher : Congratulations and Thanks Phil! 15:07:16 From Stuart Wylie : Great Job Phil. We will miss you. 15:07:18 From Samantha Nicol : Thank you Phil for all your work. Great SC 15:07:20 From Grace Palamara : Thanks Phil for your strong support and hard work. 15:07:21 From Irene Faros : I have only worked with you this year Phil, thank you great role model. 15:07:22 From Paul Byrne : You're awesome Phil!! 15:07:25 From Helen Craigie : Thanks Exec for the great 2 days and wonderful news that PPA now has a permanent home 15:07:26 From Kerry Barker : Thanks Phil, thank you for what you have done for PPA. 15:07:27 From Simon Mulready : Congratulations, Phil 15:07:27 From Peter Flannery : Congratulations to the State Executive for your work with this term's meeting. 15:07:32 From Bek Zadow : Thank you Phil!! 15:07:40 From Robyn Urquhart : Thank you Phil for all of your great support from MNC 15:07:42 From Peter Flannery : Well done Phil! 15:07:42 From Melanie Mackie (Melanie Mackie) : Thank you Phil! You have done a magnificent job for us! 15:07:57 From Bob Willetts : Congratulations and well done Phil. Brilliant way to leave the organisation in such great shape! 15:08:00 From Lisa Wright : Thank you Phil and everyone - so missing the in person catch ups. 15:08:05 From Karen Mortimer : A real pleasure to work with you Phil. 15:08:14 From Craig Nielsen : What a true legacy you have created for us all -We have a permanent HOME! Well done Phil 15:12:34 From Stuart Wylie : I am teeing off at 3.30pm 15:12:47 From Michael Burgess : How do you make a sausage roll? 15:12:50 From Rob Walker : Good therapy Stu. 15:13:00 From Michael Burgess : Put it at the top of a hill and give it a push